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- tommywallach
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Re: Q7
Hey UCSC,
This is a tough question, asking us to make an inference about Rivier, the protagonist of paragraph 2. If we look back at Rivier, we see him contrasted to Snell, who sees autonomous action in the heroes of Greek tragedies.
Rivier believes that the superhuman forces in Greek tragedies are central, and that the protagonist "does not so much 'choose' between two possibilities as 'recognize' that there is only one real option. In other words, the tragedy is that they protagonist doesn't get to make any kind of real decision.
A) This is a tempting answer choice, but the end of the paragraph tells us that protagonists 'recognize that there is only one real option.' So they actually know they aren't free.
B) Nowhere in the passage does it say that heroism belongs to the Gods. While it is said that the Gods control the choices that men make, that doesn't make the gods the heroes. Heroism is never mentioned in paragraph two. The Gods impose their will on men, who then face a kind of impasse, realizing they have no choice in their fate. Paragraph 1 and Paragraph 3 have more room for heroic action, but it would still only be on the part of men, not the Gods.
(C) Nowhere do we read that the protagonist wrongly seeks to take responsibility for his or her actions. We can infer from lines 29-30 ("these forces are not only external to the protagonist; they are also experienced by the protagonist as an internal compulsion...") that there's some conflict between what's being forced on the protagonist and what is natural, but the author never says this is "wrong." Also, the last sentence again hints that the protagonist realizes he or she only has one option, so cannot take responsibility for having made a decision.
(D) is the answer. If you look back at the sentence I quoted up top, you can see that the tragedy is that the protagonist is not able to make a real decision, because "there is only one real option."
(E) Nowhere in this paragraph is there any talk of the protagonist being punished.
Let me know if you have any further questions!
-t
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This is a tough question, asking us to make an inference about Rivier, the protagonist of paragraph 2. If we look back at Rivier, we see him contrasted to Snell, who sees autonomous action in the heroes of Greek tragedies.
Rivier believes that the superhuman forces in Greek tragedies are central, and that the protagonist "does not so much 'choose' between two possibilities as 'recognize' that there is only one real option. In other words, the tragedy is that they protagonist doesn't get to make any kind of real decision.
A) This is a tempting answer choice, but the end of the paragraph tells us that protagonists 'recognize that there is only one real option.' So they actually know they aren't free.
B) Nowhere in the passage does it say that heroism belongs to the Gods. While it is said that the Gods control the choices that men make, that doesn't make the gods the heroes. Heroism is never mentioned in paragraph two. The Gods impose their will on men, who then face a kind of impasse, realizing they have no choice in their fate. Paragraph 1 and Paragraph 3 have more room for heroic action, but it would still only be on the part of men, not the Gods.
(C) Nowhere do we read that the protagonist wrongly seeks to take responsibility for his or her actions. We can infer from lines 29-30 ("these forces are not only external to the protagonist; they are also experienced by the protagonist as an internal compulsion...") that there's some conflict between what's being forced on the protagonist and what is natural, but the author never says this is "wrong." Also, the last sentence again hints that the protagonist realizes he or she only has one option, so cannot take responsibility for having made a decision.
(D) is the answer. If you look back at the sentence I quoted up top, you can see that the tragedy is that the protagonist is not able to make a real decision, because "there is only one real option."
(E) Nowhere in this paragraph is there any talk of the protagonist being punished.
Let me know if you have any further questions!
-t
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- Matt.Goodman
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Re: Q7
I too got this wrong, I initially choose D but now I see it more clearly.
(A) is wrong because nowhere does that last paragraph say that Agememnon's motivations are identical to those of the gods, clearly he is influenced by them but identical is way too strong.
(B) this is kind of tough I guess because how to you distinguish his character from other determinantes regarding his situation? After all his character is who he is, But I guess solely is a little bit too strong and additionally, we know that the diety's play a role in his decision so it's not ALL his character. "Agememnon is indeed constrained by a divine necessity." I could be seeing this wrong however.
(C) This is directly supported by the passage and is not too strong either. "But he also deeply desires a victorious battle." This is a really solid answer and I can't believe I passed it up hah.
(D) This is the one I picked, clearly he is not ONLY concerned with pleasing Artemis because he deeply desires a victorious battle. If it said he is constrained by a divine necessity but also deeply desires to please Artemis, this would be good.
(E) This is unsupported, we can infer that he is in a political position because he's a ruler but we can't conclude it is especially tragic because of this.
Hopefully this helps.
(A) is wrong because nowhere does that last paragraph say that Agememnon's motivations are identical to those of the gods, clearly he is influenced by them but identical is way too strong.
(B) this is kind of tough I guess because how to you distinguish his character from other determinantes regarding his situation? After all his character is who he is, But I guess solely is a little bit too strong and additionally, we know that the diety's play a role in his decision so it's not ALL his character. "Agememnon is indeed constrained by a divine necessity." I could be seeing this wrong however.
(C) This is directly supported by the passage and is not too strong either. "But he also deeply desires a victorious battle." This is a really solid answer and I can't believe I passed it up hah.
(D) This is the one I picked, clearly he is not ONLY concerned with pleasing Artemis because he deeply desires a victorious battle. If it said he is constrained by a divine necessity but also deeply desires to please Artemis, this would be good.
(E) This is unsupported, we can infer that he is in a political position because he's a ruler but we can't conclude it is especially tragic because of this.
Hopefully this helps.
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Re: Q7
Are you answering the right question number? This question is about Lesky's view not Rivier.
tommywallach Wrote:Hey UCSC,
This is a tough question, asking us to make an inference about Rivier, the protagonist of paragraph 2. If we look back at Rivier, we see him contrasted to Snell, who sees autonomous action in the heroes of Greek tragedies.
Rivier believes that the superhuman forces in Greek tragedies are central, and that the protagonist "does not so much 'choose' between two possibilities as 'recognize' that there is only one real option. In other words, the tragedy is that they protagonist doesn't get to make any kind of real decision.
A) This is a tempting answer choice, but the end of the paragraph tells us that protagonists 'recognize that there is only one real option.' So they actually know they aren't free.
B) Nowhere in the passage does it say that heroism belongs to the Gods. While it is said that the Gods control the choices that men make, that doesn't make the gods the heroes. Heroism is never mentioned in paragraph two. The Gods impose their will on men, who then face a kind of impasse, realizing they have no choice in their fate. Paragraph 1 and Paragraph 3 have more room for heroic action, but it would still only be on the part of men, not the Gods.
(C) Nowhere do we read that the protagonist wrongly seeks to take responsibility for his or her actions. We can infer from lines 29-30 ("these forces are not only external to the protagonist; they are also experienced by the protagonist as an internal compulsion...") that there's some conflict between what's being forced on the protagonist and what is natural, but the author never says this is "wrong." Also, the last sentence again hints that the protagonist realizes he or she only has one option, so cannot take responsibility for having made a decision.
(D) is the answer. If you look back at the sentence I quoted up top, you can see that the tragedy is that the protagonist is not able to make a real decision, because "there is only one real option."
(E) Nowhere in this paragraph is there any talk of the protagonist being punished.
Let me know if you have any further questions!
-t
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Re: Q7
Whoa. I totally answered the wrong question. Embarrassing. Let's try this again!
We want Lesky's view, which is in the third paragraph.
(A) This is contradicted by "chosen by the gods for their own reasons."
(B) This is contradicted by "Agamemnon is indeed constrained by a divine necessity."
(C) CORRECT. This is directly supported by "[Agamemnon] also deeply desires a victorious battle."
(D) This is totally wrong. Agamemnon doesn't want to please Artemis; he wants what he will get if he pleases Artemis. So his primary concern is totally separate from Artemis!
(E) This is totally out of the scope of the final paragraph, which doesn't mention his political position.
Hope that helps! Thanks for the correction!
-t
We want Lesky's view, which is in the third paragraph.
(A) This is contradicted by "chosen by the gods for their own reasons."
(B) This is contradicted by "Agamemnon is indeed constrained by a divine necessity."
(C) CORRECT. This is directly supported by "[Agamemnon] also deeply desires a victorious battle."
(D) This is totally wrong. Agamemnon doesn't want to please Artemis; he wants what he will get if he pleases Artemis. So his primary concern is totally separate from Artemis!
(E) This is totally out of the scope of the final paragraph, which doesn't mention his political position.
Hope that helps! Thanks for the correction!
-t
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