Q7 - Educator: Only those students who

[christine.defenbaugh]

Great discussion going on here, everyone! I'm going to lay out a basic breakdown, but I encourage anyone to continue adding their thoughts into the pool!

ttunden - you have spotted a critical issue in your comment that (A) matches up with the stimulus more.

For this type of inference question, we're tasked with finding a logical conclusion to tack on to the end of the list of premises we're given. As we know from working with the Assumption Family, bad things happen to an argument when a conclusion brings up brand new ideas or strays too far from the premises. Namely, the argument is vulnerable to criticism on that basis! The same idea is at play here - we want a conclusion that would NOT be very vulnerable to an LSAT student coming along to undermine it.

How do we do that? We have to stay very close to the information already given in the argument's premises.

Our given premises:
Only curious students can learn.
Curious students find satisfaction of curiosity (i.e., learning) gratifying and like the rewards of the learning itself.
Very few children walk in the door with the curiosity needed to learn the things the teacher needs to teach them.

Conclusion:
Something about a teacher's job.

(A) fits tightly with the premises. "requires for fulfillment of its goals" is not really a new idea. The goal of a teacher is to successfully teach! A teacher must satisfy curiosity, since teaching new things does that. A teacher must also, though, stimulate curiosity. Why? Because kids need curiosity to learn, and they don't walk in the door with it. It has to come from somewhere, if the teaching is going to be successful!


Conclusions that Leap Too Far
(B) the premises discuss the inherent rewards being satisfying for curious kids. We don't need other, non-inherent rewards. Non-curious kids can't learn, regardless of rewards.

(C) "initial interest" is a new idea. If we assume it means the same thing as "curiosity", this cuts against the premises, suggesting that the teacher teach about things the kids aren't curious about - and that would mean they would not learn!

(D) "students' taking responsibility" is a new idea. It's unclear how this relates to curiosity. Can students stimulate their own curiosity? We have to make some assumptions to fit this in.

(E) This is surely true, but not relevant to the premises given. "Enjoyability" is a new idea, and it's unclear how this relates to curiosity or the ability of students to learn.



Note that all of these ideas are possibly true, but only one of them follows closely and logically from the only the premises given. Stay close to the given information, so that your argument is as close to airtight as possible!

Please let me know if this completely answers your question!


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[debbie.d.park]

I'm having difficulty choosing between A and B. In fact, my logical analysis drawing does not infer anything mentioned in the answer choices. Can you please go over the core, and explain why A must be the answer?

Successful learning -> students with genuine curiosity -> satisfaction of curiosity + appreciate learning process

Most children -> no curiosity -> cannot learn successfully

Teacher's job to approach these children???

Thanks in advance!

[haeaznboiyoung]

So this is how I read the argument as...

Only students that are curious can learn about a topic.
When their curiosity is satisfied, they reap the rewards of the learning process itself.
But almost no child comes into the classroom with enough curiosity to learn successfully.

So since a teacher’s responsibility is to effectively teach their students, what is the best way to do this? According to the premises, satisfying a student’s curiosity will make them learn successfully. This is best expressed in A.

I saw B as not true because the stimulus says students will get the rewards of learning successfully through satisfaction of their curiosity. B says it is necessary for teachers to USE those rewards that are NOT in the learning process. Seems way out of scope to me. Not only are we only talking about the rewards that come FROM the learning process, there’s no mention of anything about rewards outside of the learning process.

This is just how I read it, hopefully this can help you realize more clearly why A is correct. I’ve probably missed some important points as to why A is right and B is wrong though lol

[peg_city]

I chose B because after the second sentence the educator uses the word "however," and then talks about how no child enters the classroom with sufficient curiosity to learn successfully, which to me means he basically saying that the first two sentences don't work.

Also, in A it says the 'fulfillment of its goal,' which is no where in the stimulus.

Can one of the Geeks help answer why A is the better answer?

Thanks

[LSAT-Chang]

I was also confused between A and B. However, there is a major flaw with answer choice B in that we have no evidence that supports the claim "creative use of rewards that are NOT inherent in the learning process itself" -- we are told in the stimulus that these students appreciate "the inherent rewards of the learning process itself" which is the opposite, basically. So how does it make sense to conclude that a teacher's job is to use rewards that are NOT inherent in the learning process itself?? It doesn't -- and (A) is correct because we could certainly say that it would be the goal of the teachers to instill this curiosity within the students since we are told that almost no child enters the classroom with such curiosity, and we know from the first two sentences that curious students successfully learn stuff! So it would totally make sense that the teachers' job would be to fulfill this!

[ttunden]

I chose A but I wanted to know why D would not work? It seems to fall in like with the premises. Students taking responsibility for their own learning(curious about topic/satisfaction) will help the teacher.

I guess the drawbacks, and reason why I did not pick this is because A is better since it matches up with the stimulus more. Are there any other reasons? too broad? would not logically complete educators argument?

[andrewgong01]

I was stuck between "A" and ""D" and went with "D" because I still find that it makes less assumptions and is safer since it says if successful as a student then you are curious about learning and the curiosity stems from finding things gratifying etc

To me this sounds like taking responsibility of your own learning because students need to somehow be more curious and do so by finding certain things gratifying and the rewards of learning etc. Hence the answer choice "D" does not make much a leap and is rather neutral since "D" would then say a teacher's job is aided (not fulfilled) when students take respoanbility of their own learning by becoming more curious and finding things interesting. In other words, "D" just seems to be a safer choice in that it makes little assumptions on what the teacher's job is aside from the fact that it must be aided when students become more curious, and, in turn, more successful students.

To me "Can students stimulate their own curiosity? We have to make some assumptions to fit this in." is an assumption that should not matter because the argument is built on hypotheticals on if once a student does have curiosity then.....
It does not seem to state it has to always be true. In the context of Choice "D" we are just saying if in the instance that students curiosity has been stimulated then... [students are more successful = makes the teaching of teachers easier]

For "A" my thinking on the problem intially was that we don't know what the goals are because the goals are a new concept that only showed up in the answer choice and we can't make the assumption of goals= teach students such that they are successful on inference questions in LSAT world. It could be the goal is just to teach but it does not matter what the result is . I can see from hindsight it may have been a warranted assumption but I still find that "D" makes less assumptions since it does not introduce a new concept (goals)

(A) fits tightly with the premises. "requires for fulfillment of its goals" is not really a new idea. The goal of a teacher is to successfully teach! A teacher must satisfy curiosity, since teaching new things does that. A teacher must also, though, stimulate curiosity. Why? Because kids need curiosity to learn, and they don't walk in the door with it. It has to come from somewhere, if the teaching is going to be successful!


Conclusions that Leap Too Far
(B) the premises discuss the inherent rewards being satisfying for curious kids. We don't need other, non-inherent rewards. Non-curious kids can't learn, regardless of rewards.


(D) "students' taking responsibility" is a new idea. It's unclear how this relates to curiosity. Can students stimulate their own curiosity? We have to make some assumptions to fit this in.

[MMA266]

Hi all, i feel grammatical mistake in A.

Requires for the fullfilment of its goals which are stimulation of ...

Or


Requires for the fullfilment of its goals - the stimulation of ...

Please let me know if such diversions are allowed in lsat.

[BarryM800]

I'm still confused about this question. The first sentence sets up a conditional: successfully learn → genuinely curious; CP: NOT genuinely curious → NOT successfully learn. The last sentence provides a fact, which triggers the contrapositive of the conditional - NOT ALL curiosity → NOT ALL successfully learn. I think this question is based upon the idea that fulfilling the necessary condition will facilitate the realization of the sufficient condition, though it will not necessarily fully guarantee it.

Though (A) uses the same idea of fulfilling the necessary condition, I thought (C) achieves the same goal. I interpreted "interest" as a paraphrase of "curiosity" and "initial" a paraphrase of "students entering the classroom." I thought (C) is saying we do not need to worry about those that the students are automatically curious about, but need to focus on the content that students are not initially curious about - to stimulate and satisfy their curiosity.

Also, (A) mentions "stimulation of curiosity" and "satisfaction of curiosity." Are they referring to different situations (e.g., curiosity v. lack of initial curiosity) or used collectively to mean "fulfill" curiosity? Thanks!

[Misti Duvall]

I'm still confused about this question. The first sentence sets up a conditional: successfully learn → genuinely curious; CP: NOT genuinely curious → NOT successfully learn. The last sentence provides a fact, which triggers the contrapositive of the conditional - NOT ALL curiosity → NOT ALL successfully learn. I think this question is based upon the idea that fulfilling the necessary condition will facilitate the realization of the sufficient condition, though it will not necessarily fully guarantee it.

Though (A) uses the same idea of fulfilling the necessary condition, I thought (C) achieves the same goal. I interpreted "interest" as a paraphrase of "curiosity" and "initial" a paraphrase of "students entering the classroom." I thought (C) is saying we do not need to worry about those that the students are automatically curious about, but need to focus on the content that students are not initially curious about - to stimulate and satisfy their curiosity.

Also, (A) mentions "stimulation of curiosity" and "satisfaction of curiosity." Are they referring to different situations (e.g., curiosity v. lack of initial curiosity) or used collectively to mean "fulfill" curiosity? Thanks!

Good diagram of the initial statement, and I think you have the overall concept. There's also one more piece of information in the stimulus, which is that students who are genuinely curious find the satisfaction of that curiosity gratifying and appreciate the rewards of learning itself.

Since (A) covers both stimulation and satisfaction of curiosity, it's a better answer than (C), which only covers stimulation of curiosity (even assuming interest is a fair substitute for curiosity, which I'm not sure about in this context).

Hope this helps.