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Q5

by jyup1982 Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:25 am

Q5 says If the inspection is scheduled for the day immediately before the inspection of F, which one of the following must be true about the schdule?

I think I'm not getting the point of the question or I am totally lost in setup. Could anyone plz help me with the question? Why D is the answer?
 
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Re: Q5

by timmydoeslsat Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:38 am

This can be seen as a global diagram for this game

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The checkmarks indicate that the variable was used in a rule. The boxed-in variable is one that is completely random. It has no rules governing it. That variable is H.

There are 4 rules. I built in the first rule into my diagram.

The second and third rules can be combined.

The fourth rule is a conditional statement. It is important to note the contrapositive of this rule, I do it in my head, but for clarity it is:

~Q (5) ---> ~G (3)

(~ = not)

Question number five gives us a local condition that can be initially noted as this:

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What else can we infer from this local rule? We know that Q is immediately before R. We also know that J comes at some point before Q.

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The next thing we can consider is the placement of this " J > block "

We know that F must be either first or sixth. In this case, it must be sixth because it has variables that come before it.

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We know that the block indicates that Q and R are directly next to F. We know that J must simply come before those variables.

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We are not done looking at the rules that have been giving to us.

It is important to consider that we only have three variables left to place: J, which at this point has no rules governing it anymore, H, which has no rules governing it, and G, which does have one rule governing it. When G is third, QR fill spots five and six.

We know that in this scenario QR do not fill in those spots, which means, via the contrapositive, that G will not fill the third spot. That means the third spot has only two contenders: J and H.

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This is represented by choice D. This is something that MUST be true.
 
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Re: Q5

by VladimirI226 Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:32 pm

I understand that G can not be third. I would like to know why Answers A, B, C that deal with position 1 and 2 are not the correct answers. How are those answers eliminated as viable options. Element J,G, and H can easily be placed in position 1 and 2. I guess this is the difference between the could be true and must be true answer.
 
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Re: Q5

by ED310 Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:45 am

Please explain Why answer choice A is invalid. Which rule does (A) violates?
A) G/H → Day 1
{ H,G,J,Q,R,F} or {G,H,J,Q,R,F} What is wrong with this pattern?
Rule #1: F→1/6 √
Rule # 2: J is earlier than Q √
Rule # 3:Q is immediately before R√
Rule # 4: Conditional rule G(3)→ Q(5) √

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Re: Q5

by ohthatpatrick Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:29 pm

Q5 is a MUST BE TRUE question, but it seems like you're evaluating it as though it's a COULD BE TRUE question.

We're not here to analyze, in the case of (A), whether G or H could go 1st.
We're being asked whether they MUST go first?

In other words, when we look at (A), we ask ourselves, "Is there anyone besides G or H who can go 1st?"

Whenever you're judging MUST BE TRUE answers, you're trying to see if you can contradict them (not match them).

The combination of rule 3 (QR) and the condition for Q5 (RF) and the fact that rule 1 forces F to be 1 or 6, means that we have to be dealing with this.

__ __ __ Q R F

G, H, and J remain. We can't put G on day 3, or else we'd break rule 4. But otherwise, it doesn't matter what we do with them.

__ __ H/J, Q R F

A) J G H Q R F is possible, so it doesn't HAVE to be true that G or H is 1.

B) H G J Q R F is poss, so it doesn't HAVE to be true that G or J is 1.

C) G H J Q R F is poss, so it doesn't HAVE to be true that G or J is 2.

D) YES, we know this must be true. QRF are already assigned to 4/5/6, and G can't go 3rd in this scenario, so that means that H or J will HAVE to go in 3.

E) This is actually impossible, since Q is definitely in spot 4.