Q21 - Tina: For centuries oceans and human

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

reposted from TLS

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1#p2810021

Good work.

I like the way you reasoned through that, and I think that's the way I would have approached it as well. We're looking for what Tina and Sergio would disagree about, right? Let's just take each of the answer choices and test them against what Tina and Sergio actually say and if one agrees with the statement, and the other disagrees, then we'll have the point of disagreement.

On a first read through (B) is the most subtle incorrect answer choice, and would probably be difficult to spot. When you're down to two, remember, look for reasons to dismiss an answer choice rather than prove one. It'll make your task easier... MIND THE DETAILS I mean if terms like mysterious and unpredictable show up in the answer choice then you need to see if both persons in the stimulus address these terms. Otherwise it can't be the point of disagreement.

(A) is a statement Tina would agree with but Sergio doesn't address, so can't be the point of disagreement.
(B) is a statement Sergio would agree with but Tina doesn't address , so can't be the point of disagreement.
(C) has the relationship backwards, so neither would agree.
(D) is a statement they would both disagree with.
(E) is a statement that Tina would disagree with and Sergio would agree with. And it's the correct choice!


ONE MORE THING
Be on the lookout for variations of this question, such as...

Which one of the following is a statement that both (name) and (name) would most likely disagree with?

Their statements above lend the most support to the claim that both (name) and (name) would agree with which one of the following claims?

They're not common, but they always get a certain percentage of people who fail to pick it up because they're moving so quickly.

[mcrittell]

How does S disagree with E? If he thinks that oceans have always been mysterious and unpredictable, doesn't that mean that he would believe that "oceans and eccentricity predates the Euro Renaissance"...because the beginning of time is BEFORE the Euro Renaissance?

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

Thanks for catching that. I had that flipped. Tina would disagree with answer choice (E) and Sergio would agree with it.

I've edited this above to avoid future confusion, thanks!

[hyewonkim89]

Hi Matt,

Will you explain more why E is the answer?

I think I understand why Tina would disagree with E since she says the linkage is "due to" the European Renaissance practice, which I think it means the ER predates/caused the linkage.

But how does Sergio agree with E?

I'm not sure where he implies anything about the linkage between oceans and eccentricity.

Thanks in advance!

[patrice.antoine]

Hi Matt,

Will you explain more why E is the answer?

I think I understand why Tina would disagree with E since she says the linkage is "due to" the European Renaissance practice, which I think it means the ER predates/caused the linkage.

But how does Sergio agree with E?

I'm not sure where he implies anything about the linkage between oceans and eccentricity.

Thanks in advance!

Hey Hyewon, I'm not Matt but I can try and answer your question.

Sergio agrees with (E) when he states "oceans have ALWAYS been viewed as mysterious and unpredictable (qualities associated with eccentricity).

In other words, if it is an ocean, it has qualities(mysterious and unpredictable) associated with eccentricity.

This is how he links oceans with eccentricity.

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

Nice work Patrice!

[pauledwardmurphy]

I quickly got this down to B or E, and I chose E because it sounded correct, but the more I think about it, the more I think B is really a better answer. The earlier response on this forum dismisses B for the following reason: it says that while Sergio would agree with B that oceans have always been viewed as mysterious and unpredictable, Tina doesn't address whether or not this is true. But she does! By saying that the linkage is due to the Renaissance practice of using ships as asylums, she is saying the linkage is only 500 or so years old - that is, it has not always been the case. Am I not allowed to infer this obvious point?

[christine.defenbaugh]

I quickly got this down to B or E, and I chose E because it sounded correct, but the more I think about it, the more I think B is really a better answer. The earlier response on this forum dismisses B for the following reason: it says that while Sergio would agree with B that oceans have always been viewed as mysterious and unpredictable, Tina doesn't address whether or not this is true. But she does! By saying that the linkage is due to the Renaissance practice of using ships as asylums, she is saying the linkage is only 500 or so years old - that is, it has not always been the case. Am I not allowed to infer this obvious point?

Thanks for posting, pauledwardmurphy!

You're wrestling with some great thoughts here! But be careful about what we can and can't infer from Tina.

Tina talks about the linkage - what linkage? The linkage between oceans and eccentric people. She never says that oceans themselves are viewed as mysterious and unpredictable. In fact, the linkage she makes between oceans eccentric people is essentially one of physical proximity - she never implies that oceans are seen as having the same characteristics!

I think you may have misread the linkage that Tina discusses as being the linkage between oceans and the idea of 'mysterious/unpredictable'. That's not what she links!

And you are completely correct that Tina thinks the linkage is only about 500 years old - again, the linkage between oceans and eccentricity. That is exactly what makes (E) the correct answer!

Does that help clear this up a bit?