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Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by b91302310 Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:15 pm

In the stilmuli, based on my understanding, the structure of the argument is as follows:

Premise 1: The most compelling piecies of evidence for this are those few of the numerous articles submitted by Cotrell that are superior.

Premise 2: Since Cotrell, who is incapable of wrting an article that is better than average.

Premise 3: Cortell must obviously have plagiarized superior ones.

Conclusion:Cotrell is,at best, able to write magazie articles of average quality.

As mentioned in the correct answer choice, the flaw of reasoning is that it presupposes what it seeks to establish. Does it mean that the presupposition is Premise 2, which seeks to establish the conclusion with the same meaning?

I am quite confused about this question because I was wondering whether premise 1 and premise 2 shall also be considered. I finally chose A because I think there is possible a counterevidence for the author's claim about the plagiarism.(maybe the superior ones are not plagiarized).

So, could anyone share the thinking path toward this question? Thanks !
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by ManhattanPrepLSAT1 Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:07 am

You see the flaw but are being distracted from the core of the argument.

You have the evidence and conclusion properly identified, and the flaw in the argument is that the conclusion is merely a restatement of the 2nd premise. The 1st and 3rd premises here are simply not relevant in to the flaw in the argument, but create some tempting yet incorrect answer choices. Thus answer choice (C) is the best description of the flaw committed in the argument.

(A) is not bad but the counterevidence is not ignored. The argument doesn't just ignore the fact that Cotrell has produced articles of superior quality. The argument claims that these were plagiarized.
(B) is unsupported. The argument doesn't generalize from atypical examples, but rather describes why those atypical examples should be dismissed.
(D) is unsupported. There are no experts involved in this argument.
(E) is unsupported. These are not isolated lapses in performance, but rather routinely bad performance is contrasted with a few exceptions of superior quality which are dismissed as plagiarized.

Does that help you see this one a bit more clearly?
 
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Re: PT36, S1, Q10 - Cotrell is, at best

by b91302310 Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:17 pm

Got it! Thanks!
 
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by AbhiC801 Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:42 am

b91302310 Wrote:Got it! Thanks!
b91302310 Wrote:In the stilmuli, based on my understanding, the structure of the argument is as follows:

Premise 1: The most compelling piecies of evidence for this are those few of the numerous articles submitted by Cotrell that are superior.

Premise 2: Since Cotrell, who is incapable of wrting an article that is better than average.

Premise 3: Cortell must obviously have plagiarized superior ones.

Conclusion:Cotrell is,at best, able to write magazie articles of average quality.

As mentioned in the correct answer choice, the flaw of reasoning is that it presupposes what it seeks to establish. Does it mean that the presupposition is Premise 2, which seeks to establish the conclusion with the same meaning?

I am quite confused about this question because I was wondering whether premise 1 and premise 2 shall also be considered. I finally chose A because I think there is possible a counterevidence for the author's claim about the plagiarism.(maybe the superior ones are not plagiarized).

So, could anyone share the thinking path toward this question? Thanks !



I can't see how conclusion here is 1) "Cotrell is,at best, able to write magazie articles of average quality". I think the conclusion should be 2) "must obviously have plagiarized superior ones".
I can see how (1) can support (2), but I can't see how (2) can support (1).
Please help!!!
 
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by VendelaG465 Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:00 pm

I'm confused as to how "Cotrell who is incapable of writing an article that is better than average" is the conclusion ? I saw the must in the last sentence & figured that was the conclusion and the premises seem to support it as well..?
 
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by VendelaG465 Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:02 pm

sorry correction *Cotrell is,at best, able to write magazie articles of average quality as conclusion
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by ohthatpatrick Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:29 am

The first sentence is the conclusion, because the second sentence begins, "The most compelling pieces of evidence for this are ..."

We later get an intermediate conclusion, which we can identify because the 2nd to last claim begins with "Since".

Any time we see "since ______ , ______ " it will always be true that the 1st idea was a premise and the 2nd was a conclusion (not necessarily the main conclusion).
 
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by VendelaG465 Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:47 pm

okay i understand the first part but even with the "therefore" test I'm finding it hard to differentiate between the intermediate conclusion and actual conclusion. I still see "cotrell is,at best, able to write magazine articles of average quality." & "...must obviously have plagiarized superior ones." as interchangeable.

cotrell is,at best, able to write magazine articles of average quality----> must obviously have plagiarized superior ones

must obviously have plagiarized superior ones---->cotrell is,at best, able to write magazine articles of average quality
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by ohthatpatrick Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:59 am

Yeah, we wouldn't know which one to call the main conclusion unless they gave us clear keywords indicating which is which.

And they did.
The first sentence is the conclusion, because the second sentence begins, "The most compelling pieces of evidence for this are ..."

The rest of the paragraph fits underneath that umbrella.

It's kind of like if you read a paragraph that looked like this.
[Claim 1]. After all [claim 2] and thus [claim 3].

The "after all" indicates that Claim 1 was a conclusion, and everything contained in the conversation that begins with "after all" is therefore subordinate to Claim 1.

Claim 3 is clearly a conclusion, because it's prefaced by "thus".

But we know that CLAIM 3 must be an intermediate conclusion, because claims 2 and 3 are part of a conversation prefaced by "after all", and hence they are a conversation that stands in service of supporting claim 1.

This is all insanely technical sounding, and I don't think we need to worry about scoring this one correctly. It's more about making sure we're "listening" when the author acknowledges that Cotrell has written some great things but then immediately (and groundlessly) assumes that Cotrell must have stolen them since the author has a predetermined agenda that Cotrell is a sucky writer.
 
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by CynthiaG382 Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:23 pm

Would appreciate assistance with identifying the conclusion for this argument. I misidentified it during my PT and presumed the last sentence starting from "if the data" was the conclusion. I was between the first sentence and last for the conclusion and since neither felt like a subsidiary conclusion for the other, I assumed the study was the final point of the author. Thank you!
 
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Re: Q10 - Cotrell is, at best, able

by JeremyK460 Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:58 am

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