Manhattan LSAT 4th Ed. Logic Games: Bonus Qs. PT38, S2, G1)

[william.truong]

Hello All!

If I can refer anyone who could help to p. 142 of the Manhattan LSAT's 4th Ed. Logic Games, specifically PT38, S2, G1, even more specifically the Bonus Questions, I'm having a hard time with question B3:

"If Y exits fourth and Q exits sixth, for how many clowns do we know the position in which they exited"

This is a fairly simple question, and has nothing do to with the functioning of Relative Ordering games, or this specific game for that matter.



Answer choices are:
A) 4
b) 5
C) 6
D) 7
E) 8

According to the picture, I figured the answer was A) 4 since the only ones we are sure about - apart from Y and Q - are R, T, V, Z.

Now, the real answer being C) 6, two possible situations come to mind:

1. Either I have to account for Y and Q in the number of positions we know.
2. Or I have to account for S,W even though they are interchangeable i.e. It could be S-W or W-S

What is actually the case here?

Thanks!

[ohthatpatrick]

You have to include Y and Q in your tally.

It didn't ask us, "How many OTHER clowns have a completely determined position".

We know the position of 6 clowns. We only lack exact knowledge of S and W.


RANDOM QUESTION:
How did you get an image in there? (We've been struggling to do so, recently)
You hosted the image somewhere?

[william.truong]

RANDOM QUESTION:
How did you get an image in there? (We've been struggling to do so, recently)
You hosted the image somewhere?

Exactly! I used TinyPic.

And thanks for the explanation!
Follow up question: I've been encountering many of these small wording differences in the way questions are framed, but I've also been working on older prep-tests.
Is this something that is frequent in newer versions of the LSAT as well?

[ohthatpatrick]

The wording doesn't stick out to me as unusually weird. It's not a frequent question type, but "How Many are Completely Determined" is definitely a task we've seen at least a couple dozen times. That's still relatively rare (only about 10% of tests), so it will feel like an inherently weird question whenever we see it.

More broadly, as to the Older Tests vs. Newer Tests difference in wording .... expect a roly-poly variation of wording as you go from test 1 to test 84.

Part of how LSAT makes the test a little unsettlingly different each time is by mixing up the wording of their otherwise familiar tasks.