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by jamesrobertshelly Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:14 pm

This question is the reason I'm retaking in a week and a half :? Seemed quite difficult, like a hybrid of in/out and basic grouping. I think my trouble was that I couldn't figure out how to represent the THREE types of assignments (2 schools or not selected) in the context of an In/out logic chain. Plus I hit this with only about 6 minutes left, so upon seeing how tricky it was, I panicked. Yarr :( Anyone have a good diagram for this?
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Re: Diagram

by ManhattanPrepLSAT1 Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:07 pm

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Re: Diagram

by rohanw2000 Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:50 am

This question is hands down the hardest logic game I've come across.
Could one of the Instructors please post a step by step approach to the game and all its questions?

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Re: Diagram

by tommywallach Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:44 pm

That already exists!
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Re: Diagram

by rohanw2000 Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:05 am

I was wondering whether its possible to approach this question using the conditional grouping approach (In/Out). I tried it and it made answering a few questions quite easy but I wasn't quite sure how to go about denoting Rule #4 in the diagram. If K is not assigned to Thorne, it doesn't necessarily mean that its assigned to Silva (as there is a possibility that its not assigned AT ALL). So, would this be the reason why its not wise to use this approach or am I missing something? :?
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Re: Diagram

by ManhattanPrepLSAT1 Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:23 pm

rohanw2000 Wrote:I was wondering whether its possible to approach this question using the conditional grouping approach (In/Out). I tried it and it made answering a few questions quite easy but I wasn't quite sure how to go about denoting Rule #4 in the diagram. If K is not assigned to Thorne, it doesn't necessarily mean that its assigned to Silva (as there is a possibility that its not assigned AT ALL). So, would this be the reason why its not wise to use this approach or am I missing something? :?
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The reason why the Logic Chain would be difficult to employ is that this game is not as simple as In/Out. We have In/Out plus who goes where? Either you consider Out a third team, which would mean that Logic Chain wouldn't be helpful, or you consider this a Hybrid with In/Out Grouping and Open Grouping as concurrent tasks.

Either way, I wouldn't recommend using the Logic Chain on this one. Hope that answers your question!
 
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Re: Diagram

by andrewgong01 Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:07 am

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I think this game is more easily done via frames. The K, H M conditional rule creates a nice placeholder. The first time I did the game I intially thought the G_s-->L_T was a placeholder for T until I realized there is also the option of G being out. However, the final conditional rule creates a nice placeholder of FHM or K in "T". This leads us to three frames.

Frame 1:

Put HFM in T and then put K in S . You will see that this forces L into S too. Really, then, G is either in T or out.

Frame 2:
Put HFM in S and K in T. In this game, the frame is left pretty open ended.. But there is really only G, L, and M left and they can be played around with pretty easily.


Frame 3:


Put FHK all into "T". When you do that there is only MGL left and we need to fill in 2 slots for "S". Since L/M can not go together both into "S", this means that G must take up one slot in "S". If G is in S that triggers the conditional rule of pusing L into T. Then, with only M left M has to be in S so that S can have two elements.


FRAME 4

K out and HMF in T. In this case, it is actually not possibvle because that leaves us with GL left but both of them can not both go into the "S" group

Frame 5: Put HMF out --> not allowed since FH must always be in.


OVerall that was all the possibilties in the game. I think the game hinged on the placeholders as it made the questions easier.