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[walkerdoreen07]

Hello Altlas Staff,
I have question about setup of this game(PT44 G2 S3) and 3 questions(2, 4, 6).

I want to make sure my thinking is correct:

setup:
R1..FFF must be including in seven meetings
R2..FF..cant be next to each other
R3..TS (?)
R4...M not FIRST or LAST

Q1..i chose "E" which answer is "D"
Q4..I Chose "D" which answer is "E" (i think that D is CBT as well as E CBT)
Q6..my answer was "F" cannot see why it would be D

I'm thinking my setup was off alittle, i went back to check R3 to make sure It was in right orderorder. Thank you.

Thanks!!!

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

According to the way you described the constraints, I think you're on track. To compare your setup, I've attached a diagram of the way I would approach this game.



Q2: If G's last meeting is with R, then which one of the following could be true?

If G's last meeting is with R, then it cannot be true that G's sixth meeting is with S.

_ _ _ _ T S R

You simply don't have room for three F's which are nonconsecutive.

Q4: If G's meeting with R is the very next one after G's meeting with S, then which one of the following must be true?

If G's meeting with R is the very next one after G's meeting with S, then we have a chunk TSR, that must be scheduled either 234 or 456.

_ T S R _ _ _

_ _ _ T S R _

This is the only way to have room for three nonconsecutive F's. You're choice (D) could be true, but doesn't have to be true. Therefore, isn't correct. Notice above, if the F's are not going to be consecutive, F's will have to be scheduled first and last. Thus, answer choice (E) is correct.

Q6: If G's meeting with M is the very next meeting after G's meeting with R, then who must go fourth?

If G's meeting with M is the very next one after G's meeting with R, then there are two chunks. TS and RM. To get three nonconsecutive meetings with F, F must be scheduled first, fourth, and seventh.

F T S F R M F
or
F R M F T S F

So the correct answer is (A)

One way to help you see this game would be to ask yourself how many possible arrangements of F are there and where do those arrangements force your TS chunk?

[walkerdoreen07]

Thank you!!

[belkeniac]

Would you write out the frames for this one?

It turns out there are 6 possible frames. I just tried this game timed and also did all these frames in 11 minutes. I know that's way too long but I know the frames helped. Is this one a bad idea? Thanks.

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

It's not that this one is clearly a game that it would be terrible if you framed it, but you're on a slippery slope here. One thing that I see regularly is that students sometimes lose control and slip into writing out every possible solution or try to come up with frames that start to look more like hypotheticals.

To avoid that, I draw a line in the sand and say, "if can't frame this game in 4 rows or less, I'm just not going to do it." That way I don't head down the path of running row after row. Since the chunk can go in more than 2 or 3 places, I wouldn't frame it.

[jamiejames]

I'm not going to ie, I wrote out 11 frames in about 40 seconds.

TSF_F_F
FTSF_F_
FTS_F_F_
F_TSF_F
_FTSF_F_
F_FTSF_
F_FTS_F
F__FTSF
F_F_FTS
_F_FTSF

each time I just moved the TS to the right, and then placed the Fs so none of them touched each other. Then I just went back and filled in where I had to for each question. It got messy, but if I can brute something, I do.

This is definitely not the fastest way to do this question haha.

[Crogati]

Isn't the answer (C) and not (D), which breaks the 3rd constraint (TS)?

Please disregard. I just discovered the nifty answer key in the back of practice book 1 . Although I still need help with the approach for Q2 posted below. Thank you!

[Crogati]

Q2: If G's last meeting is with R, then which one of the following could be true?

If G's last meeting is with R, then it cannot be true that G's sixth meeting is with S.

_ _ _ _ T S R

You simply don't have room for three F's which are nonconsecutive.

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What's the answer to Q2? I'm really stuck on this. I have eliminated all the answer choices, finding no room for either the TS or the 3 nonconsecutive Fs.

[marcus.v.p.]

Yeah, I'm having trouble with question #2 and finding the most efficient approach as well. Could anyone assist?

Thanks!

[marcus.v.p.]

So, the most efficient way I found, was to go through each answer choice and briefly going over each answer choice (not drawing it out for each one, but more or less looking at the number line and picturing how each answer choice would play out). Once I noticed that an answer would have to break a rule, I then moved to the next one until I got to D, which could be true.