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Diagram

by derrickc126 Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:47 pm

Could someone please post a diagram for this LG? Thanks for your help.
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Re: Diagram

by ohthatpatrick Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:47 pm

Sure, thing.

It looks like this is a fairly Normal Ordering game, with 7 things taking up 7 spots. (joy to the world) The only wrinkle is that we'll need some way to decide who's on sale. I'll just use an * to represent the sale item.

roster:
H L M P R S T

diagram:
__ __ __ __ __ __ __

rules:
H/S __ __ + S/H
(PS)
T = 1 or 7
~T1 --> R1
~R1 --> T1
L - H

(the PS chunk I drew is in a circular cloud, indicating its reversibility)

thoughts:
we have one reversible chunk (PS), one spacing issue (H/S __ __ + S/H), one normal ordering rule (L - H), and some either/or's for both spot 1 and for T.

links / floaters?
M is a floater.
T is mentioned twice. If he's 1, we know nothing else. If he's 7, we know that R is 1.
S is in both the reversible chunk and the spacing rule. We can't link those together very easily, though, because there are four possibilities
PS _ _ + H
SP _ + H
H _ + PS
H _ _ + SP

frames?
T is 1 or 7. Spot 1 is R or T. We could start the two frames of T being 1 or 7, but we probably wouldn't know too much else. We could place the (PS) in each of its 5 possible spots (2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 6/7), but that would be a lot of frames.

It probably makes sense to just go to the questions.


If you really wanted to think through those frames, it's likely that one of them is secretly broken. It's likely that in some of them we know how to orient the P and the H, relative to the S.

T/R (P, S) __ __ __ __
T/R __ (P, S) __ __ __
T/R __ __ (P,S) __ __
T/R __ __ __ (P,S) __
T __ __ __ __ (P, S)

The 3rd frame would only work if S was 4 and H was 7
T __ __ S P __ H
N would be in a cloud over 2 or 3, and then R and M can go anywhere.

The 4th frame could only work if we do S on 6 and H on 3, since L has to be earlier than H.
T/R, N H __ P S __
(if R is 1, then T is 7. If T is 1, then R and M can go anywhere)