Diagram

[RogerD345]

Hi. Can anybody from Manhattan Prep instructors draw a diagram plz? especially if an instructor can, using logic chain technique ?

[ohthatpatrick]

We wouldn't use a Logic Chain for this, since that tool is for In/Out games, and there actually three groups here:
just 5, 5 and 10, and just 10


G H L R S V
just 5: __ __
5 & 10: __ __
just 10: __ __

R1: since H and L can't have the same type of bond, neither of them can be in the middle column (if you did both 5 & 10, then you would definitely be offering the same type of bond that your enemy does, since those are the only two types of bonds)

So we could exclude them from that row, or put placeholders for them in the just 5 / just 10 rows.

G H L R S V
just 5: H/L, __
5 & 10: __ __
just 10: L/H, __

R2:
V = "Just 5" or "5 & 10" --> S = "5 & 10"
S = "Just 5" or "Just 10" --> V = "Just 10"

R3:
L = "just 10" or "5 & 10" --> R = "just 10" or "5 & 10"

Here, we should remind ourselves that L can never be in "5 & 10", so the rule should look like
L = "just 10" --> R = "just 10" or "5 & 10"
R = "just 5" --> L = "just 5"

I might be tempted to try setting up some frames, since there aren't that many moving parts. I might try V in all three of its positions. I know when I put it in "just 5" or "5&10", it triggers something. And maybe when we put V in "just 10" it'll trigger something.

FRAME 1:
just 5: H/L, V
5 & 10: __ __
just 10: L/H, __

FRAME 2:
just 5: H/L, __
5 & 10: V __
just 10: L/H, __

FRAME 3:
just 5: H/L, __
5 & 10: __ __
just 10: L/H, V

For frames 1 and 2, it triggers putting S into "5 & 10".

FRAME 1:
just 5: H/L, V
5 & 10: S __
just 10: L/H, __

FRAME 2:
just 5: H/L, __
5 & 10: V, S
just 10: L/H, __

FRAME 3:
just 5: H/L, __
5 & 10: __ __
just 10: L/H, V

In those first two frames, the remaining people are G (a floater) and R, who has a rule.
Does R's rule tell us anything in any of these?
Nope. R still has multiple options in all three frames, so I would leave it as is and head to the questions.

[Theodorew728]

Hi,

I had also attempted this game with the logic chain. My PT score paid the price. What are some other specific games, like this one, that lend themselves to a chart set-up? I definitely need the practice. Thank you in advance.

[ohthatpatrick]

I'm not sure what you mean by a chart set-up.

I would just consider this a grouping game with a weird twist (either we say that some members are in BOTH of our two groups, or we define it as three different groups -- just 5, both, just 10).

There are no other games that have that twist, so I don't have anything specific I could refer you to.

Test 74, game 4 is another example of something that feels like it'll be IN/OUT, but really there are 3 groups.

It doesn't have the same characteristic of some people would be in BOTH groups, but it's still a messy, annoying game that doesn't play nicely with the Logic Chain.