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Diagram

by jacob.k.q Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:55 am

This game destroyed me. Could use some help on the whole thing.

My diagram with inferences was:

U __ __ __ __ Hidalgo (oil/watercolor) in 4

L __ __ __ __ Isaac(oil) in 4

G(watercolor)
F(oil)
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Re: Diagram

by ohthatpatrick Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:36 pm

We have 8 characters,
F(o), F(w), G(o), G(w), H(o), H(w), I(o), I(w)

and we have 8 spots
N: __ __ __ __
S: __ __ __ __

RULE 1:
Since we can't put 2 w's in a column, we'll have to spread out our 4 w's over the 4 columns, 1 per column. That means that every column will be a mix of o/w.

RULE 2:
Can't use both versions of the same dude in the same column.

RULE 3:
F and I are enemies. If we combine this with RULE 2, it looks like there must be an F/I in every column.
Why? By rule 2, we need to use 2 columns for each dude, since you can't put both versions of the same dude in the same column. By rule 3, the 2 columns we use for F will never overlap with the 2 columns we use for I.

So every column as an F/I in it. (That also tells us that G and H will never be together in a column).

RULE 4:
G(w)
------
F(o)

RULE 5:
N: __ __ __ __
S: .................I(o)

Any other inferences? Anything worth framing?

We could put our "chunk", the Gw/Fo thing, into spots 1, 2, and 3.
But would any of those placings trigger something else? Doesn't seem like it. Spots 1, 2, and 3 are all interchangeable.

We could ask ourselves who could possibly go in 4-north, above I(o)

It can't be the other I, I(w).
It can't be either F, F(w) or F(o).
It can't be any of the other "o's", since every column is a mix of o/w.

So it has to be G(w) or H(w).

But wait, G(w) is already part of a preset chunk. So it must be H(w)!

N: __ __ __ H(w)
S: .................I(o)

Now I would just think to myself, "of the 3 remaining columns, we know one of them is Gw/Fo. So let's write out who's left and think about how they would fill the 2 remaining columns."

G(o), H(o), I(w), F(w)

We need to think about splitting up I's and F's and splitting up o's and w's.

I/F(w) ..........F/I(w)
--------- and --------
G/H(o)..........H/G(o)

We don't know who's top or bottom for those columns, and we have no idea which of columns 1, 2, 3 these guys will all be in.

Hope this helps!
 
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Re: Diagram

by JorgeL203 Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:32 am

ohthatpatrick Wrote:We have 8 characters,
F(o), F(w), G(o), G(w), H(o), H(w), I(o), I(w)

and we have 8 spots
N: __ __ __ __
S: __ __ __ __

RULE 1:
Since we can't put 2 w's in a column, we'll have to spread out our 4 w's over the 4 columns, 1 per column. That means that every column will be a mix of o/w.

RULE 2:
Can't use both versions of the same dude in the same column.

RULE 3:
F and I are enemies. If we combine this with RULE 2, it looks like there must be an F/I in every column.
Why? By rule 2, we need to use 2 columns for each dude, since you can't put both versions of the same dude in the same column. By rule 3, the 2 columns we use for F will never overlap with the 2 columns we use for I.

So every column as an F/I in it. (That also tells us that G and H will never be together in a column).

RULE 4:
G(w)
------
F(o)

RULE 5:
N: __ __ __ __
S: .................I(o)

Any other inferences? Anything worth framing?

We could put our "chunk", the Gw/Fo thing, into spots 1, 2, and 3.
But would any of those placings trigger something else? Doesn't seem like it. Spots 1, 2, and 3 are all interchangeable.

We could ask ourselves who could possibly go in 4-north, above I(o)

It can't be the other I, I(w).
It can't be either F, F(w) or F(o).
It can't be any of the other "o's", since every column is a mix of o/w.

So it has to be G(w) or H(w).

But wait, G(w) is already part of a preset chunk. So it must be H(w)!

N: __ __ __ H(w)
S: .................I(o)

Now I would just think to myself, "of the 3 remaining columns, we know one of them is Gw/Fo. So let's write out who's left and think about how they would fill the 2 remaining columns."

G(o), H(o), I(w), F(w)

We need to think about splitting up I's and F's and splitting up o's and w's.

I/F(w) ..........F/I(w)
--------- and --------
G/H(o)..........H/G(o)

We don't know who's top or bottom for those columns, and we have no idea which of columns 1, 2, 3 these guys will all be in.

Hope this helps!


Thank you for the diagram! What LG type is this?

I thought it might be a Basic Grouping LG with defined subgroups, but perhaps it is a 3D Ordering LG because of the 1-4 orientation. Thoughts?
 
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Re: Diagram

by Laura Damone Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:16 pm

I wouldn't go with 3D ordering here, because although 1-4 are technically ordered, their order doesn't factor into the play of the game at all. Since there aren't rules about who goes before or after whom, I'd call this a grouping game. In terms of the subtype, I'd go with 3D because of the upper vs lower position. There are definitely some defined subcategories here, and I'd also put in a plug for Special Connections because of rules 1 and 2. Hope this helps!
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