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PT20 S3 G1; Each of seven travelers...

by liya_chandi Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:55 pm

Hi everyone,
I tried the first question but I can't seem to get the right answers. The first question was correct, but for the second question I keep getting E as the answer. The rest of the questions are wrong too. Could someone help me set up the game.

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Re: PT20 S3 G1; Each of seven travelers...

by bbirdwell Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:11 pm

Here's the quick and dirty version. Let me know if you have other questions.
This is game can be best symbolized with two potential iterations.

__ __ __ (N)
x P R
__ __ __ (O)

or

__ __ __ (N)
R P x
__ __ __ (O)

All you have to do then is keep the other constraint in mind:

S and U can't go next to N

It's also helpful to use an "x" for the unassigned seat, as I have above. And remember that you have one additional "x" to place.
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Re: PT20 S3 G1; Each of seven travelers...

by xoutteam Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:25 pm

can you expand on this explanation? I am confused on the set up and couldn't buy a answer while testing.
 
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Re: Diagram

by abigailsean Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:50 pm

Hope this helps:

you know O is in the last row

since P is beside R and an X, it has to be XPR or RPX... and that means, it can also NOT be in the last row, as O is already there.

Then you read that R is in a row behind N, so since R cannot be in the 3rd row, the XPR/RPX has to be in the second row, and N is in the first row. (X being an empty seat)

that's how you get the setup explained above.

You must keep in mind the rule that S&U cannot sit next to N to answer a majority of the questions.

Realize though, that DOES NOT mean that neither S&U cannot be in the first row with N, however, only one of them can be.

Hopefully this helped! :)
 
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Re: Diagram

by mkhan189 Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:11 pm

I am confused as to how S and U can be anywhere other than in the last row with O.
abigailsean mentions that "Realize though, that DOES NOT mean that neither S&U cannot be in the first row with N, however, only one of them can be." But the condition is "Neither Semonelli nor Underwood is seated immediately beside Norris". Doesn't this mean that neither one of S and U can be in the first? Which would mean since PRX are in the second row that S and U are both with O in the third row?
This made the 2nd question, obviously, confusing since the 2nd question says: "If S and U are not assigned to seats in the same row as each other..."
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Re: Diagram

by mkhan189 Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:32 pm

Never mind my question, since I just figured it out!! lol
So I thought neither S nor U could be in the same ROW as N, but the condition says that neither S nor U could be immediately besides N... so SXN / NXS and UXN / NXU are all possibilities!

I wonder if anyone was confused in the same way as I was with this game... if you were I hope I helped :)
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Re: Diagram

by ManhattanPrepLSAT1 Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:29 pm

Glad you caught the error! Sometimes just repeating things out loud can help you see the misunderstanding. Isn't it frustrating though when you say it correctly, but you internalize slightly differently.

Glad you were able to see how that constraint really works!
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Re: Diagram

by maryadkins Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:40 pm

Here's a diagram for this game.
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Re: Diagram

by lym Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:49 am

Thank you guys!

I made the same mistake as I take " neither S or U is immediately beside N" for "neither S or U is in the same row as N".

But that distinction poses a question here, since the question says "Only seats in the same row are immediately beside each other."

How should I understand this condition?

At first I thought it is DEFINING the conception of beside by providing a necessary and sufficient condition.

But now I realize that it's merely necessary, but not sufficient.

Any comment on that?

I really wish the question said something like "only seat adjacent to AND in the same row as each other are immediately beside each other" so as to avoid the confusion.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Diagram

by tommywallach Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:31 pm

I think the sentence is entirely logical. Your misread is something they wanted you to do, but it isn't justified by the text. If I say "Only fish can be friendly," it doesn't mean fish have to be friendly. :)

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Re: Diagram

by lym Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:34 pm

tommywallach Wrote:I think the sentence is entirely logical. Your misread is something they wanted you to do, but it isn't justified by the text. If I say "Only fish can be friendly," it doesn't mean fish have to be friendly. :)

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Yes. Thank you, T. I get it now.