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Verbal is stuck at 40-41! Help?

by WendyY887 Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:19 pm

Hi everyone,

First time posting on this forum!

My exam is only four weeks away and my two GMATPrep scores from today (Sept 24) and a week ago were both at 710. The breakdown for the two scores are as follows:

A week ago - 710: Q47, V41
Today - 710: Q47, V40

My previous MGMAT CATs' verbal scores were also at 40 by the time I got to the sixth CAT.

I'm only getting seven or eight questions wrong on verbal, so I'm super frustrated as to how I can get my verbal score up to ~45. I know that's a significant jump, but I was just wondering if anyone has any advice or strategies that they've used for improving their verbal scores from 40 to something higher.

I've taken MGMAT's 9-week course and have also been tutoring with Elaine Loh (WHOM, BY THE WAY, IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL! COULDN'T HAVE BROKEN THE 700 BARRIER WITHOUT HER!). I've gone through the strategy guides, have been doing timed sets, keep an extremely detailed error log, which I review religiously. After all this, I still can't get my verbal score up!

Any ideas?

PSA - please do not advise that I try to get my quant score higher. I'll continue to work on quant but I'm not as concerned about improving on quant as I am about improving verbal. This post was made because I'm really just at a loss for what more can be done.

Thanks!
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Re: Verbal is stuck at 40-41! Help?

by StaceyKoprince Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:25 pm

Hi! I'm glad that Elaine is helping you—she's great!

First, I just want to mention that 40-41 and 710 are already great scores. I know you want more—I'm just saying that you've come really far already. Remind yourself to be proud of that when you're getting too frustrated. :D

Okay, next, to go from V40-41 to V45 is the equivalent of going from Q47 to Q51. V45 is the 99th percentile. Even though the scale technically goes up to 51 on V as well, only 1% of all students score V45 or higher (and very, very few score above V47).

Why am I telling you that? Because it means that you have to be almost perfect on V to hit the 45 level. As always, "perfect" on the GMAT does *not* mean getting everything right. You'll still probably answer 7-8 questions incorrectly. They'll just be even harder questions.

The first step is low-hanging fruit: How often are you making careless mistakes? You can't afford to miss things that you really do know how to do, not at the V45 level. You'll need to tighten up your processes and be super systematic / anal if you find that you're making more than about 1 careless mistake per V section.

When you're not making careless mistakes, the hardest verbal usually comes down to one thing: being able to distinguish between the correct answer and one really tempting wrong answr (occasionally two—but usually just one at this level). Basically, when you miss something on verbal at this level, it's because you
(1) thought that the wrong answer was better than the correct answer, and probably also
(2) doubted / disliked the correct answer.

So your task, when you do get something wrong, is to really understand how they got you to make those two mistakes on that question.

When #2 occurs, I would start there. Why did you dislike the correct answer? See whether you can explain it out loud (if you can, then you've really understood why). Now, your task is to learn that this thing (whatever it was) is fine. Don't cross off answers for this reason.

For example, someone will say (on an SC), "It sounded wrong." Which part? At what point did the sentence start to sound off? Now, this is the right answer, so you are allowed to construct a sentence using this structure that sounded funny to you. Write a couple of sentences yourself that use that same structure. Put them on flash cards. Drill your brain to learn that this structure is fine and, next time, you don't want to cross something off for this reason.

#1 will always occur. Here, you'll need to figure out the disconnect between what you thought was okay (or better than the correct answer) and why the answer was actually wrong. It might be that you were focused on the wrong part of the answer—the part that you thought was okay was in fact okay, but there was another part over here that made the answer incorrect. Alternatively, it might be the case that you were wrong about the part that you thought was good—it might have actually been wrong for some reason, in which case you'll need to figure out why. Sometimes that reason is also tied to why you thought the right answer was incorrect.

When you do figure out why, try to distill that into a broader lesson to learn. For instance, years ago when I was studying CR, I noted that I was sometimes crossing off correct answers because the language in the answer choice wasn't an exact match for the argument. The correct answer did use appropriate synonyms, but I was getting distracted because there was another (really tempting) wrong answer that did use exact language matches from the argument. So I ended up doubting the correct answer and instead choosing the incorrect answer with the language match because that seemed better.

Upon review, I realized that the incorrect answer would indeed match the language from the argument, but it would "jumble up" that language in some way that changed the meaning—so it was actually incorrect. But I wasn't noticing that part because I was focused on the fact that the other answer's language didn't match exactly...and so then, in comparison, I liked this wrong answer because the language (superficially) matched.

I finally realized that I could cross off answers if the language didn't match AND the words used were not appropriate synonyms (eg, the argument said "most" but the answer choice said "all"). But I also realized that I should NOT cross off non-matches that were still appropriate synonyms (eg, the argument said "most" and the answer choice said "many"—that's acceptably within scope). And I realized that, when I did see exact language matches in an answer, I needed to read the whole answer holistically to make sure that the meaning conveyed was actually the right meaning—if not, I'd cross that one out despite the fact that the language match looked so good.

So that's the level of analysis that you're trying to get to in order to hit a lofty 45 on V. It's not easy—but it can be done with dedicated work and a super-consistent process! And since you are working with Elaine, this would be a great thing to dig into with her. Bring her a problem that you've struggled with and see whether you can really explain what your errors were and how not to fall into those same traps next tiem. Or, where you know you can't figure it out, bring that to her and discuss it so that you can figure it out together.

Try that out and let me know how it goes.
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Re: Verbal is stuck at 40-41! Help?

by WendyY887 Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:58 pm

Thanks Stacey! This is super helpful, and thank you for being so detailed with your advice and response.

As I was going through my practice exam and error logging, I've already come across 3-4 questions that your points apply to exactly! Being able to see how your recommendations work in real time has been very helpful in obtaining a better understanding of areas that I need to improve on.

Excited to apply this to my review and practice going forward!
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Re: Verbal is stuck at 40-41! Help?

by StaceyKoprince Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:43 pm

Great, I'm glad to hear it! Let me know how things go!
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Re: Verbal is stuck at 40-41! Help?

by WendyY887 Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:16 pm

Hey Stacey,

Your method of assessing verbal has been extremely helpful! In my practice now, I'm actually getting almost all CR questions correct (that was my main weakness). But the problem now is...for the really hard questions, I'm taking way too long to complete them. It's taking me about 3-4 minutes (for the really bad ones) to think through the top contenders and wait for it to click. Once it does click then, it absolutely makes total sense and I have full confidence in the answer choice.

However, the process for thinking through the choices and coming to that "click" is taking way too long. I don't want to give up on these questions because they're the ones that will propel my score higher, but obviously I also don't want to sacrifice timing because I know how important it is on the GMAT.

Would you happen to have any advice on this?

Thank you very much!
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Re: Verbal is stuck at 40-41! Help?

by StaceyKoprince Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:11 pm

Hmm, I replied to your post a few days ago...but my reply is not showing up. I'll try again.

You actually DO want to give up on some of those questions. :) You do not need to answer all of the hardest ones correctly in order to hit your goal score. Let's say you want a score of 44. If your ability is actually up at that level, then the test is also going to offer you questions at the 45, 46, 47 level. You can get those wrong and still hit your 44. You just can't miss too many below the 44 level.

Now, of course, you don't really know exactly how hard a question is when you're doing it. You just have to gauge based upon your own strengths and weaknesses. Part of your task as you're studying this new way is to learn what you can learn to do in a more streamlined fashion—and also what you can't and where you should bail*.

It may be the case, on some, that you can get down to 2 answers in a reasonable amount of time but then it will take too long to decide between the final two. Guess!

It may be the case, on some, that it will take you multiple minutes just to get down to 2-3 answers. In that case, try to learn what the characteristics are so that you can actually guess even faster—those become your bail* questions.

*Bail questions are questions that you don't even try in the first place—you decide, up front, that this one is not worth your time. You will also have other questions you try but eventually can't get and so you have to make a guess—these aren't bail questions, just guesses. (And no matter how good you get, you will still have to bail on some questions and guess after trying others—everybody does, at every level of the exam.)

It's also the case that, when you first start doing something new, you're slower at it, but you become more efficient as you get more comfortable with that new thing. So give yourself some time to learn to be more efficient. (Also, as you're using these new methods, add that to your analysis: Where can I learn to streamline what I'm doing?)

So:
(1) You will get more efficient with some over time.
(2) You will decide to bail on some over time.
(3) Some others will still take somewhat long...but that's okay, because you'll have some extra time left over from your bail questions. :)
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