The Nobel prize in chemistry was awarded to

[tim]

is my thinking correct?

No. Please read the thread and please stop making up nonexistent rules to account for situations that Ron has already explained thoroughly.

[tim]

Is there any grammar error with C at all? because in another questionhttp://www.manhattangmat.com/fo ... t7937.html it used similar structure: XXXXX, AND this vantage point made XXX. To me these two questions look very similar.

Technically there is nothing wrong with C from a grammatical perspective; it just messes up the meaning as Ron described above, and A is both grammatically correct and conveys the intended meaning.

[thanghnvn]

The Nobel prize in chemistry was awarded to three scientists for their discovery that plastic can be made electrically conductive - an advance that has led to improvements in film, television screens, and windows.

a.same as above
b.that plastic can be made electrically conductive - this advance leading
c.that plastic can be made to be electrically conductive, and this advance led
d.of plastic's ability to be made electrically conductive, with this advance leading
e.of plastic being able to be made electrically conductive - an advance that has led

Hi guys, would appreciate some help here:

a. we use "THAT" in this case because it links the DEPENDENT Clause "The Nobel prize .... their discovery" with INDEPENDENT clause "plastic can be made .."? Is my concept correct?

b. What is wrong with ----- this advance leading to?

d. It is wrong because of passive voice being used?

Thank you.
KH

honestly, I want to know why B is wrong.

the big difference betwee a and b is that " a" refer to indefinite thing while "this", like "the", refers to a definite thing. I am sure this difference is the reason for b to be wrong. but I do not know why.

it is clear that b is ambiguous because we have the following pattern

main clause+noun+noun modifier

in this pattern "noun+noun modifier" modifis the main clause, showing the context of the main clause. this means the phenominon expressed by "noun+noun modifer" start or happen before the action in the main clause. this previousness is not logic with the word "this". B is wrong.

no general grammar books explain this point. how to learn

why B is wrong? pls explain more.

it is clear that "a" is used to refer to a new thing while "this, the, that" is used to refer to old/ already mentioned thing. but why "this " in B is wrong?

if we do not understand fully why B is wrong, how can we perform in the test room?

[RonPurewal]

Choice B uses the modifier "leading". For this modifier to be correct, it must be concurrent with the timeframe of the sentence.

There are actually two timeframes with which this "__ing" could be compatible: (a) the awarding of the prize, (b) the discovery itself.
Neither of these timeframes can reasonably contain the process by which the discovery led to inventions, so __ing doesn't work here.

[harika.apu]

Whats wrong with C ????

the construction of choice (c) (...and this advance led to...) seems to present two more or less independent events in sequence. in other words, the nobel prize was awarded, and, at some later point, the advance led to blah blah blah.
that doesn't make much sense - presumably, the nobel was awarded at least partially because the discovery in question had already led to profound consequences. also, it doesn't make good rhetorical sense, either; the purpose of the sentence is clearly to relate the nobel prize to the importance of the discovery, not to present two random events as if they were in sequence.

Hello Ron ,
This explanation is very clear .

Thanks:)

[tim]

Glad to hear it!

[RonPurewal]

Hello Ron ,
This explanation is very clear .

Thanks:)

you're welcome.

[HM537]

i read the thread about choice D. I think "with+noun+ing" is the consequence of the preceding action- "plastic's ability to be made electrically conductive". so i don't know why with incorrectly linked 2 clauses. what's wrong with my concept?

[RonPurewal]

i read the thread about choice D. I think "with+noun+ing" is the consequence of the preceding action- "plastic's ability to be made electrically conductive". so i don't know why with incorrectly linked 2 clauses. what's wrong with my concept?

you've assessed the intended meaning correctly, but this isn't how 'with + noun + __ing' is used.
'with + noun + __ing' is used to discuss, in more detail, some part or aspect of whatever is described in the preceding sentence.

here we are talking about a LATER consequence—in other words, NOT a component/aspect/part of the situation just described.

[RonPurewal]

read more here:
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... ml#p102567 (and following posts)

[aflaamM589]

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[aflaamM589]

Choice B uses the modifier "leading". For this modifier to be correct, it must be concurrent with the timeframe of the sentence.

There are actually two timeframes with which this "__ing" could be compatible: (a) the awarding of the prize, (b) the discovery itself.
Neither of these timeframes can reasonably contain the process by which the discovery led to inventions, so __ing doesn't work here.

Is'nt time frame of (a) the awarding of the prize,making sense?

i.e the awarding took place when inventions were already taking place...?

thanks

[RonPurewal]

perhaps. even then, you can't start a modifier with "this xxxx".

[thanghnvn]

in the pattern
main clause+a/an+noun+noun modification

the ending phrase summarize the main clause.

in the pattern
main clause+noun+noun modification
the ending phrase gives a detail to main clause.

so , the meaning here require the first pattern .

am i correct?

[tim]

Probably not. The thing is, you have been on this forum for many years offering formulas for sentences and asking us if they are correct. As you no doubt have discovered by now, that is not working. Please stop trying to create a formula for everything and work on understanding the sentences themselves.