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Subjunctive, Subject/Verb Agreement

by calvincolton Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:21 pm

A recent and popular self-help book wryly notes that if adolescence was not so painful, it would have a droll comedic aspect, at least in retrospect.

A) was not so painful, it
B) was not so painful, they
C) were not so painful, they
D) were not so painful, it
E) were not so painful, being one

I chose D as my answer, however the correct answer is A, which I do not understand. Wouldn't this require "adolescence" to be a plural noun for proper subject/verb agreement?

Adolescence is described by the Oxford English dictionary as: the period following the onset of puberty during which a young person develops from a child into an adult
Is "the period" not singular? Am I missing something here? Need help. Thanks.
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Re: Subjunctive, Subject/Verb Agreement

by calvincolton Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:25 pm

Ahh. I have found the error in my thought process.

were can be defined as:
"second person singular past, plural past, and past subjunctive of," the key here being "second person singular past"

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Re: Subjunctive, Subject/Verb Agreement

by messi10 Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:10 am

Hi Calvin,

I think it is testing the hypothetical subjunctive mood.

As the name suggests, hypothetical subjunctive refers to hypothetical (unlikely or unreal) conditions.

In this sentence, the writer is using this when he says "if adolescence were not so painful....

i.e. adolescence is painful but in this case, he is saying that what if, hypothetically, it were not....

Hypothetical subjunctive is the simple past of every verb with the exception of the verb "to be". The form "were" is always used with hypothetical subjunctive.

Hope this helps

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Re: Subjunctive, Subject/Verb Agreement

by Willy Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:31 am

calvincolton Wrote:A recent and popular self-help book wryly notes that if adolescence was not so painful, it would have a droll comedic aspect, at least in retrospect.

A) was not so painful, it
B) was not so painful, they
C) were not so painful, they
D) were not so painful, it
E) were not so painful, being one

I chose D as my answer, however the correct answer is A, which I do not understand. Wouldn't this require "adolescence" to be a plural noun for proper subject/verb agreement?

Adolescence is described by the Oxford English dictionary as: the period following the onset of puberty during which a young person develops from a child into an adult
Is "the period" not singular? Am I missing something here? Need help. Thanks.



I believe answer should be D not A. Please check out again.

Subjunctive form is used here so IF ..... WERE is correct.
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Re: Subjunctive, Subject/Verb Agreement

by messi10 Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:46 pm

Hi willigetmylifeback,

Thanks for pointing that out.

I think that is what calvin meant in his first post as he was questioning the singular nature of his answer. It was probably a typo when he said that the answer is A

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Re: Subjunctive, Subject/Verb Agreement

by atharshiraz Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:09 pm

varun_783 Wrote:Hypothetical subjunctive is the simple past of every verb with the exception of the verb "to be". The form "were" is always used with hypothetical subjunctive.


Sorry but perhaps you meant to say that "were" should ALWAYS be used with verb form "to be" (in the hypothetical subjunctive). Simple Past is used for all verbs that are not "to be" (in the hypothetical subjunctive mood).

?

I totally missed this distinction when reading the study guide AND solving the practice problems until I read this message.

Now I am trying to figure out an easy to understand resource that explains the verb form "to be". I don't know how the sentence above falls into the "to be" form? or does it?

"A recent and popular self-help book wryly notes that if adolescence was not so painful, it would have a droll comedic aspect, at least in retrospect."

Is the above of the verb form "to be" due to the verb "was"? are you saying that in the hypothetical subjunctive case if there is a "to be" verb ("was" in this case) in the IF clause then the verb ought to be "were" (always)?

(I came across this resource any better would be great ) http://www.englishplus.com/grammar/00000040.htm
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Re: Subjunctive, Subject/Verb Agreement

by messi10 Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:23 am

Hi atharshiraz,

"were" is one of the forms of the verb "to be".

atharshiraz Wrote:are you saying that in the hypothetical subjunctive case if there is a "to be" verb ("was" in this case) in the IF clause then the verb ought to be "were" (always)?


Correct!

I think you are having some difficulty with the verb "to be". The link you have sent lists the possible forms of the verb. Just google it and read up a bit more about "to be". Should make things more clear. If you are still stuck, please let me know

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Re: Subjunctive, Subject/Verb Agreement

by tim Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:12 pm

The answer appears to be D. Let us know if you have further questions, and as long as you can provide a valid source for the problem we can help you further..
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