violetwind Wrote:Hi,Ron,
After pondering your explanation and mine and going through similar problems with "with" issue, I think D and E both are problematic.
this is an official problem, and (d) is the officially correct answer; therefore, (d) is NOT "problematic".
DO NOT QUESTION OFFICIALLY CORRECT ANSWERS.
IF SOMETHING APPEARS IN AN OFFICIALLY CORRECT ANSWER, IT IS CORRECT.You may know the construction called "independent nominative", such as the last part of the following sentence:
i don't know that name -- never heard it before.
in fact, i know
very few grammatical terms, other than the basics (noun, verb, prepositional phrase, etc.). on these forums, it may seem that i have more knowledge than that, but this is the case only because i'm on the internet -- i generally just look up the names of the terms before i post here, if i'm going to name them.
so that brings me to another important point:
(1) when you solve problems, do not be concerned with labels (such as "independent nominative").
... and therefore,
(2) don't worry about labels at all unless they specifically help you understand.
the importance of not relying too much on labels cannot be overstated, since time management is so important on this exam.
here's the analogy that i give when i teach classes:
imagine the following two situations:
a) you are driving on a road. you see a red light in front of you. you realize that when you see that, you must stop. therefore, you stop.
b) you are driving on a road. you see a red light in front of you. you say to yourself, "hmm, what is that called?" you tell yourself that it's called a "circular red signal". then you ask yourself what is the significance of a "circular red signal". then you realize that its significance is that you must stop. therefore, you stop.
you can see why the second of these situations is definitely inferior to the first -- and, in a situation where time is of the essence, potentially disastrous.
the same is true for spending excessive effort putting labels on things in these sentences.
at best, the necessity of labeling grammatical elements should be temporary. once you get to the point where you can correctly classify them as correct or incorrect just by looking at them, you should completely STOP labeling them, so that you can have better time management.
At the turn of the twentieth century, forest covered as much as 90 percent of Thailand and accommodated as many as 300,000 elephants, a third of them domesticated and performing various essential tasks.
--> are you sure this problem is official?
upon searching, i don't see it anywhere on the web except for a couple of chinese sites. if this problem were official, that would be unlikely (most official problems are ALL OVER the internet).
Another example of "independent nominative" : The huntsman entered the forest, gun in hand. (Well,I'm not 100% sure of this sentence's rightness.)
i've seen that sort of construction before, but never in an official problem. therefore, i can't tell you in good faith whether you should know it or not, since we have no official evidence either way.
Then I come to the query that, if we can express the meaning without using "with", why use it? or maybe it is wrong to use it ?
it's in an officially correct answer, so it's not wrong.
end of story.
don't question the officially correct answers!
there are quite a few officially correct answers that i don't like very much, either, but i still have to accept them as correct.
There's another SC sentence with the usage of "with", in which "with" leads a noun construction but not an "N+ Ving" construction. This just enforces my mind about the similarity of the "with" 's usage with "of".
could you please quote, or link to, that sentence please?
thanks
Then I went through a few SC problems with choices that use "with", and the false usage of with nearly all appears in the form of " N+ Ving".
...but it's correct here.
so you know that it can be correct.
I know, the appearance at wrong choices doesn't sufficiently means this usage is wrong, but as GMAT always put several mistakes in one false choice to make it "clear" to be wrong, I deduce this form might be one kind of false usage.
nope.
it's in an officially correct answer, so it's correct.
(i agree with you that it's somewhat ugly, but my opinion is, unfortunately, of no consequence to the nice people at gmac.)
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Over the course of the eighteenth century, the average output of ironwork tripled as a result of several improvements in blowing machinery and because coal replaced charcoal as the fuel used in the smelting of iron ore....
hmm? what is this problem doing here?
did you ask a question about this problem?
I think even in parralelism, the usage of tense is not limited to being the "same" only if it is proper to the intended meaning.
this is true. in fact,
mechanical considerations NEVER have ANYTHING to do with verb tenses. verb tenses are completely determined by the context of the sentence.for the sentence of choice E, I think it is possible that the price plummeting happend in last year and the more and more common usage of mobilephone happens this year, as there may be a postponed effect on customers' feedback to market. Also, I have to admit that the two incidents could happen simultaneously. And the two situaion both fit the mentioned consequese about people's using wireless service. In short, I think there's no right or wrong about the tenses here.
this may be true, sure.
perhaps the easiest way to knock off choice (e) is to note that "while" doesn't make sense.
there are two uses of "while": (1) simultaneity, (2) contrast.
(1) doesn't make sense here, since the clause after "while" it is written in the present perfect, but "are using" is in the present; therefore, these actions are NOT simultaneous. ("while" at the start of a sentence isn't normally used for simultaneity, anyway.)
(2) -- which is almost always the way in which "while" is used at the start of sentences -- also doesn't make sense, since there is no contrast.
hence (e) is wrong.
the only imperfection or mistake I noticed is the "while", I agree with you that this word implies contrasting but not a causal relationship.
yep
although i think it's pretty clear that the intention of the sentences to present those two actions as simultaneous. i see your argument that they might not be simultaneous -- an argument that has some value -- but, in my first reading of the sentence, i saw a pretty compelling suggestion that those two should be simultaneous.