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Points P, R, M and S lie on the number line shown. The coord

by ghong14 Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:46 pm

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Points P, R, M and S lie on the number line shown. The coordinate of R is 0. The distance between P and R is 1/3 the distance between P and S. If M is the midpoint of line segment PS, what is the coordinate of P?

(1) The coordinate of M is 1.5
(2) The coordinate of S is 6

I was able to use statement 2 to get the coordinate for P. Not really sure how to do the same with statement 1.
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Re: Points P, R, M and S lie on the number line shown. The coord

by jlucero Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:20 pm

It's all about rephrasing the initial information. Let's call the distance between P&R = x, R&M = y, and M&S = z.

Algebraically, we can rephrase the following statements:

The distance between P and R is 1/3 the distance between P and S.

x = 1/3(x+y+z)
3x = x+y+z
2x = y + z

If M is the midpoint of line segment PS

x+y = z

Substituting z into the other equation we get:

2x = y + (x+y)
x = y

Therefore, points P & M are equidistant from zero. Knowing any of the values of P, M, or S can give you a value for all the others.
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Re: Points P, R, M and S lie on the number line shown. The coord

by ghong14 Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:35 pm

Substituting z into the other equation we get:

2x = y + (x+y)
x = y


I don't think this is the correct simplification. 2x = y + (x+y) does not equal x = y. It should be x = 2y.

I have played with the numbers a little bit when putting the 2 statements together you can figure out that P is -3 and 6 is S and that the total distance is 9. Not really sure how reach D though.
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Re: Points P, R, M and S lie on the number line shown. The coord

by ghong14 Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:50 pm

I think I figured it out.

1) The coordinate of M is 1.5
From the statement we know that X is 1/3 of the total distance and that X + Y is 1/2 of the total distance. Therefore, Y 1/2-1/3= 1/6 of the total distance. If Y is at 1.5, 6*1.5 = 9 which is the total distance. 9/2 is 4.5 and subtracting that from M is -3.

2) The coordinate of S is 6
If x is 1/3 of the distance then Y + Z is 2/3 of the distance. If we know that 2/3 of the distance equals 6 then the full distance equals 9. 6 - 9 gives you -3.
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Re: Points P, R, M and S lie on the number line shown. The coord

by RonPurewal Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:18 pm

more generally"”
when it comes to data sufficiency, the optimal approach is usually to figure out all the relationships in the problem FIRST -- that is, before you start doing any actual mathematics.

as an illustration, let me walk through the statements in the prompt, considering how they are interrelated.

The coordinate of R is 0. The distance between P and R is 1/3 the distance between P and S.


if PR is one-third of PS, then RS must be the other two-thirds.
One-third and two-thirds. That's a ratio of 1 to 2.
So we know that PR is exactly half of RS, or, alternatively, that the coordinate P is -1/2 of the coordinate S.

MOST IMPORTANTLY,
since this is a DS problem, we can now forget all about the 1:2 and the opposite signs -- because the point isn't to find actual answers, it's only to determine whether you can find such answers.

so, at this point, all we have to know is:
If I have P, I also have S.
If I have S, I also have P.


next...

M is the midpoint of line segment PS


remember, here, that S = -2P, or that P = -S/2 (whichever version is more intuitive for you).
so, M = the average of P and S
= (P + (-2P))/2, or (S + (-S/2))/2
I don't have to simplify these expressions -- it's enough to realize that M is a constant multiple of P (or S), implying that P (or S) is also a constant multiple of M.

So:
If I have P or S, I also have M.
If I have M, I can find P and S.


this is the way you should handle DS prompts. you should not regard them as a giant chunk of random statements thrown on the head of the hapless problem-solver; you should read them dynamically, and think about how you can USE each statement AS YOU READ IT.
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Re: Points P, R, M and S lie on the number line shown. The coord

by RonPurewal Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:21 pm

... so if you have the above interpretations, then the statements are immediate:

(1) The coordinate of M is 1.5


as noted in the second chunk of work -- if I have M, then I have P. Sufficient. I don't care what the actual coordinate is.

(2) The coordinate of S is 6


as noted first, if i have S, then i have P. Sufficient. Don't care what the actual number is.