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Part of the proposed increase in state education spending

by sheetal Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:41 pm

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Part of the proposed increase in state education spending is due to higher enrollment, since the number of students in public schools have grown steadily since the mid-1980's and, at nearly 47 million, are at a record high

A) enrollment, since the number of students in public schools have grown steadily since the mid-1980's and, at nearly 47 million, are at

B) enrollment, with a number of students in public schools growing steadily since the mid-1980'and, at nearly 47 million, reaching

C) enrollment: since students in public schools have grown steadily in number since the mid-1980's and, at nearly 47 million, have reached

D) enrollment: the number of students in public schools has grown steadily since the mid-1980's and, at nearly 47 millio, has reached

E) enrollment: students in public schools have grown steadily in number since the mid-1980's and, at nearly 47 millio, are at

I chose E, but the correct ans is D. Can the instructors walk through the different ans choices. What role does ":" play in C, D and E.

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by eczozgeuyanik Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:00 am

I think in E meaning changes... The sentence is talking about "growth in the number of students", but E is saying "students have growth"
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by RonPurewal Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:28 am

c is wrong, because you can't follow a colon with since/although/etc. + clause. (if the second part starts with something like 'since', it should be introduced with a comma, not a colon.) 'grown steadily in number' is also awkward.
[edit: fixed 22/feb/11 --ron]

e:
- 'grown steadily in number', as remarked previously, is awkward
- 'at 47m' is a problem, because it seems to modify 'students'. that's illogical: the students themselves aren't 'at 47m' (what would that mean, anyway?) it's the number of students that is at 47m.

in all three of those choices, the colon (:) plays the same role: it introduces an explanatory clause. (notice the use of the comma in the sentence i just wrote)
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by sanj Tue May 06, 2008 7:28 am

what is wrong with B
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by Pathik Tue May 06, 2008 4:54 pm

B) enrollment, with a number of students in public schools growing steadily since the mid-1980'and, at nearly 47 million, reaching

B has two issues
1) adverbial clause "with....." incorrectly modifies " spending is"... does not make sense
2) a number of students .. growing... - Students are not growing, the number of students is.

Pathik
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by RonPurewal Wed May 07, 2008 7:01 am

Pathik Wrote:B) enrollment, with a number of students in public schools growing steadily since the mid-1980'and, at nearly 47 million, reaching

B has two issues
1) adverbial clause "with....." incorrectly modifies " spending is"... does not make sense
2) a number of students .. growing... - Students are not growing, the number of students is.

Pathik


good explanation.

let me emphasize: 'a number of students' is incorrect; it has two possible interpretations, neither of which makes any sense:
(1) the idiomatic expression 'a number of', roughly equivalent to 'several' - meaning that several students have gotten fatter and fatter and fatter;
(2) 'a number' of students - meaning some random, arbitrary number of students.
both bad.
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by namurad Wed May 07, 2008 4:54 pm

Pathik Wrote:B) enrollment, with a number of students in public schools growing steadily since the mid-1980'and, at nearly 47 million, reaching

B has two issues
1) adverbial clause "with....." incorrectly modifies " spending is"... does not make sense
2) a number of students .. growing... - Students are not growing, the number of students is.

Pathik


I am sorry i didn't understand this. Could you please explain
1. why "with.." is an adverbial clause
2. How is it (incorrectly) modifying "spending is.."

na
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Re: couldn't understand

by RonPurewal Wed May 14, 2008 6:36 am

namurad Wrote:
Pathik Wrote:B) enrollment, with a number of students in public schools growing steadily since the mid-1980'and, at nearly 47 million, reaching

B has two issues
1) adverbial clause "with....." incorrectly modifies " spending is"... does not make sense
2) a number of students .. growing... - Students are not growing, the number of students is.

Pathik


I am sorry i didn't understand this. Could you please explain
1. why "with.." is an adverbial clause
2. How is it (incorrectly) modifying "spending is.."

na


1) when prepositional phrases follow commas, they are adverbial modifiers (which modify the action or main verb of the preceding clause)
2) that's the action / main verb of the preceding clause
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Re: Part of the proposed increase in state education spending

by deadpig1987hahaha Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:13 pm

in all three of those choices, the colon (:) plays the same role: it introduces an explanatory clause. (notice the use of the comma in the sentence i just wrote)


Ron,
Do you mean ":" and "since" have the same function?
would it be right if I delete "since" in option C? I mean despite other errors.
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Re:

by vgirotra Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:55 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:c is wrong, because you can't follow a comma with a subordinate clause. (if the second part is a subordinate clause starting with something like 'since', it should be introduced with a comma, not a colon.) 'grown steadily in number' is also awkward.


For the record:
I believe you mean c is wrong, because you can't follow a COLON with a subordinate clause.
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Re: Re:

by RonPurewal Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:55 am

vgirotra Wrote:
RonPurewal Wrote:c is wrong, because you can't follow a comma with a subordinate clause. (if the second part is a subordinate clause starting with something like 'since', it should be introduced with a comma, not a colon.) 'grown steadily in number' is also awkward.


For the record:
I believe you mean c is wrong, because you can't follow a COLON with a subordinate clause.


fixed, thanks
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by s.ashwin.rao Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:20 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:good explanation.

let me emphasize: 'a number of students' is incorrect; it has two possible interpretations, neither of which makes any sense:
(1) the idiomatic expression 'a number of', roughly equivalent to 'several' - meaning that several students have gotten fatter and fatter and fatter;
(2) 'a number' of students - meaning some random, arbitrary number of students.
both bad.


I did not get this Ron. What is wrong with 'a number of students' here.

Thank you.
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Re: Part of the proposed increase in state education spending

by jnelson0612 Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:03 am

ashwin, tell us more about why Ron's explanation is not clicking for you?
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Re: Part of the proposed increase in state education spending

by s.ashwin.rao Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:25 am

Jamie,
Thank you very much for your time and effort.

As I know "a numbers of" is incorrect but what is wrong with "a number of students" as stated above. May be an example can clarify my doubt.

Thanks again.
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Re: Part of the proposed increase in state education spending

by RonPurewal Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:57 pm

s.ashwin.rao Wrote:Jamie,
Thank you very much for your time and effort.

As I know "a numbers of" is incorrect but what is wrong with "a number of students" as stated above. May be an example can clarify my doubt.

Thanks again.


2 ways in which "a number of students" could work, in other contexts:

(1) equivalent to "several" -- basically an idiomatic expression.
e.g., A number of students arrived early to the dance and had to wait outside.
--> it should be clear why this interpretation doesn't work in the sentence above.

(2) = "some arbitrary number of"
--> this doesn't work either, since we're talking about a specific figure (so it should be the number).

note that these are MEANING issues, not grammar issues -- if you're trying to figure them out with grammar, then you won't be able to figure them out.

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by the way, there are other ways to eliminate that choice; for instance, the modifier "growing steadily" mistakenly indicates that the schools themselves (rather than the number of students) are what's growing.