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p and n are positive integers

by suchi Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:51 pm

If p and n are positive integers p >n , what is the remainder when p^2-n^2 is divided by 15

The remainder when p+q is divided by 5 is 1
The remainder when p-q is divided by 3 is 1
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by lionkiNg Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:23 am

Use listing method..

p+n=11
p-n=1

R=11

p+n=6
p-n=1

R=6

So answer is E.
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by RonPurewal Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:58 am

lionkiNg Wrote:Use listing method..

p+n=11
p-n=1

R=11

p+n=6
p-n=1

R=6

So answer is E.


good enough.

remember, if you aren't getting anywhere by using theory, you should IMMEDIATELY start using secondary methods (such as listing possibilities). it can sometimes take a relatively long time to find the possibilities you need, so you shouldn't delay. do not deliberate.
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by so19 Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:54 am

However there are no positive integer p and n that satisfy the below example.

p+n=6
p-n=1

p = 7/2, n = 5/2
These are not positive integers!

Therefore
p+n=6
p-n=1
is a bad example.

p+n=16
p-n=4
works better since r = 4 and (p,n) = (10,6).
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by amit Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:54 am

lionkiNg Wrote:Use listing method..

p+n=11
p-n=1

R=11

p+n=6
p-n=1

R=6

So answer is E.


I don't understand a thing :mrgreen: ! Please explain
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by RonPurewal Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:02 pm

amit Wrote:
lionkiNg Wrote:Use listing method..

p+n=11
p-n=1

R=11

p+n=6
p-n=1

R=6

So answer is E.


I don't understand a thing :mrgreen: ! Please explain


ok, i'll explain. by the way, the problem statement contains 'q' but the rest of everything contains 'n', so i'm going to go with 'n' just for the sake of consistency (and because it's easier to type).

the essence of this solution is that lionking is just finding different examples of numbers that satisfy the conditions, and just trying those numbers out.

essential fact: this problem features the DIFFERENCE OF SQUARES, p^2 - n^2 = (p - n)(p + n). if you don't make this realization IMMEDIATELY, then you're going to be mired forever in trying to solve for p and n individually. (remember that, if a problem is stated entirely in terms of combinations, then the problem can almost certainly be solved entirely in terms of combinations.)

lionking's first example chooses p + n = 11 (which gives a remainder of 1 upon division by 5, as required), and p - n = 1 (which gives a remainder of 1 upon division by 3, as required).
when 11 x 1 = 11 is divided by 15, the remainder is 11.

lionking's second example chooses p + n = 6 (which gives a remainder of 1 upon division by 5, as required), and p - n = 1 (which gives a remainder of 1 upon division by 3, as required).
when 6 x 1 = 11 is divided by 15, the remainder is 6.

these are two different remainders, so, insufficient.
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by chandrahasreddy Sun May 06, 2012 9:03 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
ok, i'll explain. by the way, the problem statement contains 'q' but the rest of everything contains 'n', so i'm going to go with 'n' just for the sake of consistency (and because it's easier to type).

the essence of this solution is that lionking is just finding different examples of numbers that satisfy the conditions, and just trying those numbers out.

essential fact: this problem features the DIFFERENCE OF SQUARES, p^2 - n^2 = (p - n)(p + n). if you don't make this realization IMMEDIATELY, then you're going to be mired forever in trying to solve for p and n individually. (remember that, if a problem is stated entirely in terms of combinations, then the problem can almost certainly be solved entirely in terms of combinations.)

lionking's first example chooses p + n = 11 (which gives a remainder of 1 upon division by 5, as required), and p - n = 1 (which gives a remainder of 1 upon division by 3, as required).
when 11 x 1 = 11 is divided by 15, the remainder is 11.

lionking's second example chooses p + n = 6 (which gives a remainder of 1 upon division by 5, as required), and p - n = 1 (which gives a remainder of 1 upon division by 3, as required).
when 6 x 1 = 11 is divided by 15, the remainder is 6.

these are two different remainders, so, insufficient.


I don't mean to rain on the parade...but
p + n = 6
p - n = 1 do not yield integers for p and n.(that is required as per problem)

I guess we can choose ..for the second case
p + n = 6
p - n = 4
and we get- insufficient.
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Re: Re:

by RonPurewal Mon May 07, 2012 2:15 am

chandra, good catch.